Good Beginners Programs?

[BumblesCrew]

Can someone tell me a good beginners program that i can use to start makin tunes as im a novice & the most complicated music program iv used so far is Music Generator on the PS2

Any feedback is much appreicated

[MXW]

Rice crispies Hit generator!

Haha nah, try out Fruityloops.

[Chwhynny]

Reason and Cubase/Nuendo.

[christian wagner]

Reason and Cubase/Nuendo.

Not for beginners, no way.

Fruity Loops is THE best option, not reason, as it doesnt offer half intelligent sequencing!

[Chwhynny]

Reason and Cubase/Nuendo.

Not for beginners, no way.

Fruity Loops is THE best option, not reason, as it doesnt offer half intelligent sequencing!

From my own experience I'd say start with the best stuff and you can't go wrong. Seriously.

[Not a Rogue]

fruity is better then all the above, wha i say it, drum n bass is made of laptops with no hardware involved in any of the tunes, except a tiny handle of producers, only 2 programs used are reason and fruity

hardware heads usually use logic

fruity is the best overall, for all music, you choose the vsts, and your off

[MXW]

fruity is better then all the above, wha i say it, drum n bass is made of laptops with no hardware involved in any of the tunes, except a tiny handle of producers, only 2 programs used are reason and fruity

hardware heads usually use logic

fruity is the best overall, for all music, you choose the vsts, and your off

WTF?

[kal-el]

although iv started to use reason now aswell there aint fuk all wrong with fl studio jus when will people fkin realise this.................most people are obviously gonna say wot they use but iv asked this question for fkin nths now and they all do the same thing...........its YOU who creates the end product not the fukin sequencer..................wheres john ferraris?

[TTE]

I use Fruity Loops... I like it because its warm.

[Not a Rogue]

main vsts to get/, for all hardcore :

z3ta
linplug RMiv or similar
absynth

hardware synth is always good to have, last prodigy album was all done on reason, which is 1 time consuming app, the only thing that takes a while in fruity is automation

[TTE]

main vsts to get/, for all hardcore :

z3ta
linplug RMiv or similar
absynth

hardware synth is always good to have, last prodigy album was all done on reason, which is 1 time consuming app, the only thing that takes a while in fruity is automation

Mike Oldfield uses FLstudio.

[Seagull Dave U4EA]

Here's a post I did on another forum, it was answering a similar question and still applies here I think:

"People, u spend too much time agonising over what sequencer to use. Its not what u use, but how u use it. When I first started out, I used Fruity. A few seasoned producers told me it was poor, and I should use Cubase. So I learnt Cubase. Now, some of these same producers are using FL Studio instead of Cubase!

The moral of the story is is NO RIGHT ANSWER. Its down to opinion. Whatever u find most comfortable to use, use it. Its bullshit that suddenly transfereing to Logic will make ur tunes sound good. The only thing that makes ur tunes sound good is YOU. And this applies to instruments, fx, etc. Sure, some vsts/plugins sound better than others, but its down to the user to get the performance out of them.

The best sequencer to use is the one u feel most comfortable with. Don't chop and change coz such and such is the flavour of the month."

[Seagull Dave U4EA]

fruity is better then all the above, wha i say it, drum n bass is made of laptops with no hardware involved in any of the tunes, except a tiny handle of producers, only 2 programs used are reason and fruity

hardware heads usually use logic

fruity is the best overall, for all music, you choose the vsts, and your off

[kal-el]

well saidjohn *claps*

[Not a Rogue]

fruity is better then all the above, wha i say it, drum n bass is made of laptops with no hardware involved in any of the tunes, except a tiny handle of producers, only 2 programs used are reason and fruity

hardware heads usually use logic

fruity is the best overall, for all music, you choose the vsts, and your off

[dougal's nan]

use a amiga.

[Not a Rogue]

use a amiga.

protracker. still download a dougal tune for protracker, octamed you could push 32 joint sterio channels

[Seagull Dave U4EA]

fruity is better then all the above, wha i say it, drum n bass is made of laptops with no hardware involved in any of the tunes, except a tiny handle of producers, only 2 programs used are reason and fruity

hardware heads usually use logic

fruity is the best overall, for all music, you choose the vsts, and your off

Explain your arguement

[Deviance]

Here's a post I did on another forum, it was answering a similar question and still applies here I think:

"People, u spend too much time agonising over what sequencer to use. Its not what u use, but how u use it. When I first started out, I used Fruity. A few seasoned producers told me it was poor, and I should use Cubase. So I learnt Cubase. Now, some of these same producers are using FL Studio instead of Cubase!

The moral of the story is is NO RIGHT ANSWER. Its down to opinion. Whatever u find most comfortable to use, use it. Its bullshit that suddenly transfereing to Logic will make ur tunes sound good. The only thing that makes ur tunes sound good is YOU. And this applies to instruments, fx, etc. Sure, some vsts/plugins sound better than others, but its down to the user to get the performance out of them.

The best sequencer to use is the one u feel most comfortable with. Don't chop and change coz such and such is the flavour of the month."

Not a better word ever said!

I have tried them all and i settled with Logic due to how comfortable I found it to work with. I can use Cubase but I find I can find my way round Logic alot quicker and I am mroe productive in this sequencer than any other. Musically it makes no difference!

[christian wagner]

hardware synth is always good to have, last prodigy album was all done on reason, which is 1 time consuming app, the only thing that takes a while in fruity is automation

quite wrong, basic drum patterns and ideas were drawn out in reason, and some samples were used, it the drums were actully recorded, and it was all done in Protools, see SOS magazine.

No matter what anyone says, cubase / logic have the edge over reason cos it is much more powerful, end of! Fruity loops is catching up quick in terms of features for definate though, and id advise anyone starting out to give it a bash, its not easy to go into cubase and learn it all, its quicker and more of a learning curve to start on easier programs

As for hardware people using logic, thats not true, Logic has always had the highest quality effects units as standard, Try using nuendo / cubase fully, and you will see that it is actully, more powerfull!

You can do 80% of a tune in reason, but the extra 20% (possible most important) cant be done.

I agree with john, there is no right sequencer to use, but, as the question asked it

"Whats shall i start off with"

The answer

"Whatever you feel comfortable with"

Doesnt help!!!!!!

TBH, id go wqoth Reel to Reel Tapes, there the future, apparently

[Freefall]

I can use Cubase but I find I can find my way round Logic alot quicker and I am mroe productive in this sequencer than any other. Musically it makes no difference!

There ya go bruv, try em all out, then go with what one you find easiest, either way you've gotta start from scratch so you may aswell start with something that initially feels comfortable.

[Not a Rogue]

cubase is for hardware, and only has 12 channels
i said logic is used by drum n bass hardware producers

when it comes down to it, dark dnb is the most complex music to make, cut things short cos i can be bothered, fruity wins hands down, it can do all and more then cubase, same people who use cubase will own 1210s

[BumblesCrew]

Cheers to everyone for there input

I`ll just have a blast with a few of them then i see what i can come up with.

[Seagull Dave U4EA]

cubase is for hardware, and only has 12 channels
i said logic is used by drum n bass hardware producers

when it comes down to it, dark dnb is the most complex music to make, cut things short cos i can be bothered, fruity wins hands down, it can do all and more then cubase, same people who use cubase will own 1210s

But you're talking twoddle mate. (windup account?)

[DJ_Stormtrooper]

If I was starting out, id try everything out for myself and then make a decision. All sequencers are effectively the same thing with a different interface attatched and there apparent level of simplicity is down to the end user and how he/she gets on with it.

For example, some people will stroll thru Cubase SX with the greatest of ease, but sit them down with Logic and they'll be scratching there heads until they develop bold patches..... This is simply because they dont know the program, give them a few days and they will be well away.

There is no better than, well there is, Logic but im bias. Its just down to personal prefernce at the end of the day, they all host vsts, they all offer sequencing of some kind just different interfaces for you to get all confused over.

[Not a Rogue]

cubase is for hardware, and only has 12 channels
i said logic is used by drum n bass hardware producers

when it comes down to it, dark dnb is the most complex music to make, cut things short cos i can be bothered, fruity wins hands down, it can do all and more then cubase, same people who use cubase will own 1210s

But you're talking twoddle mate. (windup account?)

nope, its pointless saying anything on here, you be the same as the cdj lovers, when it comes to sequencers, stuck in a magazine world, theres not 1 thing special about cubase or reason, to most cubase is oldskool, even with the latest version, nothing was added that changed the world

the only downfull of fruity, is that you cant set the colors of event graphs, reason is made for your desktop display to be set to 800/600 and its in a locked workspace

[Seagull Dave U4EA]

cubase is for hardware, and only has 12 channels
i said logic is used by drum n bass hardware producers

when it comes down to it, dark dnb is the most complex music to make, cut things short cos i can be bothered, fruity wins hands down, it can do all and more then cubase, same people who use cubase will own 1210s

But you're talking twoddle mate. (windup account?)

nope, its pointless saying anything on here, you be the same as the cdj lovers, when it comes to sequencers, stuck in a magazine world, theres not 1 thing special about cubase or reason, to most cubase is oldskool, even with the latest version, nothing was added that changed the world

the only downfull of fruity, is that you cant set the colors of event graphs, reason is made for your desktop display to be set to 800/600 and its in a locked workspace

Cubase has only 12 channels?
DnB made on laptops with no hardware?
Only 2 programs used, fruity and reason?
Logic for hardware heads?


You're kidding... you're defo. a windup account... You couldn't be any more misinformed if u tried

[Not a Rogue]

cubase is for hardware, and only has 12 channels
i said logic is used by drum n bass hardware producers

when it comes down to it, dark dnb is the most complex music to make, cut things short cos i can be bothered, fruity wins hands down, it can do all and more then cubase, same people who use cubase will own 1210s

But you're talking twoddle mate. (windup account?)

nope, its pointless saying anything on here, you be the same as the cdj lovers, when it comes to sequencers, stuck in a magazine world, theres not 1 thing special about cubase or reason, to most cubase is oldskool, even with the latest version, nothing was added that changed the world

the only downfull of fruity, is that you cant set the colors of event graphs, reason is made for your desktop display to be set to 800/600 and its in a locked workspace

Cubase has only 12 channels?
DnB made on laptops with no hardware?
Only 2 programs used, fruity and reason?
Logic for hardware heads?


You're kidding... you're defo. a windup account... You couldn't be any more misinformed if u tried

hardcore stuck in 1995 is a whindup as far as production goes, nearly all dnb is made on a laptop using software only, software sequncers are fruity or reason,

you dont get it, to bad, some people still use crap old artaris

this is done in fruity, name the hardcore anthem
http://irgoslak.org/xremote/untitled2.mp3

so it this jizz
http://irgoslak.org/xremote/t3hman6.mp3

[Seagull Dave U4EA]

Haha what are u basing ur info on? let me guess... one of ur mates who's a bit 'in the know' says some (innacurate) shite and then u come on here a regurgitate it, claiming it as 'fact' with little or no understanding of what ur actually on about. Loving the work mate!

[Kaine]

Rouge has made me laugh so much this week.

Nuff said.

In response to the above in shorthand (me teas in the oven)

DnB heads tend to like analouge overdrive and sounds. I know stright off that Dom & roland, roni size, marcus da intalex, Accidental heros and other's of thier ilk whilst working out rough cuts in software always head back to hardware to finish.

I'd say that none of them use Reason as anything more than a scratch pad and i can bet my life on them all ripping the piss out of anyone who was to mention fruity.

Hardware heads tend to use logic on the apple On the p.c. it's cubase or nuendo.

Last Prodigy album as someone else said wasn't all done on reason... it's a bullshit story that. He wrote it on reason true (as i said.. great scratch pad) but he had to export it to hardware and protools to get the sound phat enough to mixdown.

Cubase is for hardware???

Cubase le your on about. The freebie one.

Cubase proper was the first VST studio style sequencer. It handles a few hundread midi and vst chans. Nuendo handles even more.

(and yes i use nuendo and i use 1210's. I also have cd decks. Whats your point?)

The's ton's of shit cubase does over fruity. The point is that i doubt most people will ever have the need to use any of the extra features.

Go with what makes you creative. What is easy for you and does what you need.

As for you Rouge. If your not a windup account mate you really need to learn about what your chatting about before posting in future. Two threads in a row you've made yourself look like a tit without explaining just what the hell your on about.